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Outrage + Optimism

Jul 15, 2021

In a week that has seen record temperatures occurring throughout the Pacific Northwest of the United States and Canada, a major hurricane that hit Barbados - the first in 60 years - and one of the warmest winters on record down south in New Zealand, this episode looks at the urgent call to action coming from the younger generation. Their call for transformational change applies not only to climate action, but in delivering meaningful social justice action and revaluating and redefining the very notion of leadership itself.

Our special guest this week is Katie Eder, Climate Organizer at Future Coalition. She eloquently describes for us the foundational goal of equity that is at the heart of the youth movement. and how she believes transformational change begins with ‘a leaderful movement’, and is the way to securing climate and social justice goals. Spoiler Alert: This is the secret to the success of the Paris Agreement.

Paul is joined this week by guest co-host, Alice Garton, Legal Director for the Foundation for International Law for the Environment. Alice talks through some climate optimism in regards to recent Australian judicial rulings, as well as an optimistic take on the recent Royal Dutch Shell ruling in the Netherlands.

And later on in the episode, join us for a great acoustic performance of “The Woman Who Planted Trees” by Emily Barker.

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Links mentioned in the episode:

Read: Reason, Rationality and Fiduciary Duty by Steve Lydenberg




Thank you to our guest this week, Katie Eder!


Katie Eder

Climate Organizer, Future Coalition



Future Coalition

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Our artist this week is Emily Barker!

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Check out her latest EP, “Machine”



Thank you to our Guest Co-host, Alice Garton!


Alice Garton

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Facts and figures on climate litigation:

LSE Grantham Global Trends on on Climate Litigation 2021


Links for lawyers and law students looking to use the law to progress the climate transition:

Law Students for Climate Accountability

Net Zero Lawyers Alliance

The Chancery Lane Project




Links for citizens looking to participate in climate litigation:

Urgenda Global Climate Litigation

Holding Your Government’s Accountable for Climate Change

Climate Litigation Guide


Australian SHARMA case:

Equity Generation Lawyers


Fiduciary Duty:

Primer on Climate Change: Directors Duties

ACCR commentary on Shell Transition Plan


What citizens Can Do:

Wiki Page



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