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Outrage + Optimism

Apr 14, 2022

As many around the world turn inward this week, we bring you a special episode featuring Christiana Figueres from ‘The Way Out Is In’ podcast.

Many of us are looking for a way out of the crises we face. Climate, biodiversity, ecological, nature, health, wealth inequality…not to mention the deeply personal, familial, and interpersonal. A quick log in to twitter, checking the news, or reading the latest IPCC report reveals to us that we are on a path towards breakdown. We know there is a pathway out of this ‘atlas of human suffering’ as United Nations Secretary-General António Guterres recently said, but how do we chart that path?

This week, we suggest that the way out of suffering is in it.

Today we are sharing an episode from ‘The Way Out Is In’ podcast, produced by Plum Village, the Buddhist Monastery founded by the Late Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh. Thich Nhat Hanh and his teachings were a vital support to Christiana in the lead up to the Paris Agreement and beyond. 

In this episode, you’ll hear co-hosts Jo Confino and Brother Pháp Hữu invite Christiana on to share deeply about what brought her to Plum Village, both now and years ago during her first encounter with Thich Nhat Hanh; her journey to a spiritual practice that helped her overcome a personal crisis, and the transformative power of practices such as ‘deep listening’ and ‘interbeing’ on the negotiation process of The Paris Agreement.

So get comfortable, settle in, and join us for a special listen to Episode #21 of ‘The Way Out Is In’ - Being the Change We Want to See in the World: A Conversation with Christiana Figueres

[Content warning: This episode includes mentions of suicidal thoughts at 00:25:00 for approximately two minutes – listeners who could find this discussion distressing may wish to skip this section.]



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Next ‘The Way Out Is In’ Recommended Episodes To Listen To:

War And Peace (Ukraine)

Zen and The Art of Saving The Planet

Wise Leadership w/ Lindsay Levin

WATCH: ‘A Cloud Never Dies’ on YouTube

READ: ‘Zen and The Art of Saving the Planet’ by Thich Nhat Hanh

DOWNLOAD: The Plum Village App



A special thanks this week to Plum Village!


Brother Phap Huu

Abbot | Upper Hamlet in Plum Village

Co-Host | The Way Out Is In



Jo Confino

Co-Host | The Way Out Is In



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