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Outrage + Optimism

Jun 23, 2022

ESG is in hot water - Is it just simmering or is it spoiling?

When Elon Musk tweets “ESG is a scam” that “has been weaponized by phony social justice warriors.” and a day later, an HSBC executive says that “climate change isn’t a financial risk that we need to worry about,” and then after that Former Vice President Mike Pence writes an opinion in WSJ that “ESG is elevating left-wing goals over the interests of businesses and their employees”...You start to wonder - What is all this fuss about? And why now?

This week we dig into the future or collapse of ESG as we know it, and is all this attention making ESG better or worse? And later on in the episode Bill McKibben returns to the podcast to talk about his latest venture mobilizing ‘The Greatest Generation’ to take action on Climate Change call Third Act - and his new book, ‘The Flag, the Cross, and the Station Wagon: A Graying American Looks Back at His Suburban Boyhood and Wonders What the Hell Happened. What a title!

And of course, be sure to stick around for an exclusive podcast performance of ‘Leaving Song’ by Max Jury.


Enjoy the show!



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Mentioned links from the episode:


READ: Could Google’s Carbon Emissions Have Effectively Doubled Overnight?

READ: The Carbon Bankroll

ACT: ShareAction

ACT: Make My Money Matter



Thanks to our guest this week, Bill McKibben!


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NEW: Bill’s New Book - The Flag, The Cross, and The Station Wagon



Thank you to our musical guest this week, Max Jury!


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