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Outrage + Optimism

Oct 6, 2022

Welcome to another episode of Outrage + Optimism. 

As always, we examine issues at the forefront of the climate crisis, interview change-makers, and transform our anger into productive dialogue on building a sustainable future. 

In this episode, co-hosts Christiana Figueres and Paul Dickinson are joined by guest co-host and friend, Dean Bialek. Dean has worked on climate change for years in his native Australia, which is especially relevant to today’s episode.  

The team spends some time Down Under一well, proverbially speaking一conversing with Aussies-extraordinaire Zali Steggall, Australia’s most renown international alpine skier, Teal Movement founder, and current independent member of the Australian Parliament for Warringah; and Mike Cannon-Brookes, climate activist and Co-Founder and Co-CEO of software juggernaut Atlassian Corporation Plc.

Our guests weigh in on Australia’s new government, its audacious climate bill, and how a nation chock-full of renewable resources (but historically low political will) could be about to pivot to climate superpower status. 

We also have an update on the Environmental Music Prize from Edwina Floch, Founder of The Environmental Music Prize as well as a music track from the Winner of the Prize, King Gizzard and The Lizard Wizard.

You won’t want to miss this inspiring podcast episode一It’s definitely ace!




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Thank you to our guest co-host, Dean Bialek!


Dean Bialek

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Thank you to our guests this week!


Zali Steggall | Member Australian Parliament for Warringah

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Mike Cannon-Brookes | Co-founder and Co-CEO of Atlassian

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Congratulations to our musical guest and winner of the 1st Environmental Music Prize, King Gizzard and The Lizard Wizard!


King Gizzard and The Lizard Wizard

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Go watch their Prize-Winning Music Video “If Not Now, Then When” on YouTube

**Note from Clay** - It’s f***ing awesome

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Edwina Floch

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