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Outrage + Optimism

Oct 13, 2022

Welcome to another episode of Outrage + Optimism! 

As always, we examine issues at the forefront of the climate crisis, interview change-makers, and transform our anger into productive dialogue on building a sustainable future. 

In this episode, co-hosts Christiana Figueres, Tom Rivett-Carnac, and Paul Dickinson discuss the anti-ESG (environmental, social, and governance) movement in the U.S. and its broader implications for the role of corporate institutions in an increasingly climate-sensitive world.

You’ll hear from Jesse Coleman, Senior Researcher with investigative watchdog and journalism project Documented. Jesse and his team have uncovered some astounding research on the sobering reality behind the ESG pushback.

You won’t want to miss a second of this important and intriguing discussion!

Also, enjoy the outro track, entitled “Frying Paint,” from guest artist, Archive. Details, including a link to the brilliant video, are in the show notes below.

See you next time!

CORRECTION: Our host Paul Dickinson mentions in the show that Paul Watchman produced a fiduciary duty report for Linklaters.  The fiduciary duties report Paul Watchman was responsible for was from Freshfields....not Linklaters. 



Jesse Coleman 

Twitter | Documented


Learn more about Jesse’s research on Documented 

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Read a joint report on ExxonMobil by Jesse (Documented) and Emily Atkin (HEATED)


Huge, huge shout out to Jason Schwartz and Kathleen Brophy at The Sunrise Project for their incredible work bringing this anti-ESG movement to our attention, and for all their help and generosity.


The Sunrise Project

State Financial Officers Foundation

Texas Public Policy Foundation


Music This Week: Archive 

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Tom + Clay recommend Archive’s video for “Frying Paint”

Clay’s Pick of The Week - Archive’s “Shouting Within”

Be sure to check out “The Way Out Is In” - our sister podcast with Plum Village!