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Outrage + Optimism

Oct 27, 2022

Welcome to another episode of Outrage + Optimism!

In this episode, co-host Christiana Figueres is joined by an all-female cast. You’ll hear from climate activist Abigael (Abbie) Kima from Kenya about her recent visit with His Holiness, the Dalai Lama, and Isabel Cavelier, Colombian climate activist and recent recipient of the prestigious Climate Breakthrough Award, an initiative of the Climate Breakthrough Project. 

We also feature music from the British indie rock duo, Penelope Isles.

First, Abbie Kima brings Christiana up to date with her podcast, the Hali Hewa Podcast一“Hali ya Hewa” is Swahili for “climate”一covering indigenous people, women, and climate emergencies from the African perspective. Kima also recounts her extraordinary (collective) meeting with the Dalai Lama at the Mind & Life Institute in Dharamsala. She discusses his teachings about how oneness across all people is innately linked to global climate action.

Next, Christiana chats with Isabel Cavelier about her fascinating climate journey. Isabel touches on her early work helping develop the Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs一the United Nations framework for global peace and prosperity一her climate action organization Transforma, and her work in the climate movement today. They also touch on Cavelier’s Climate Breakthrough Award, one of the field's most distinguished honors. 

Finally, we close the episode with indie rock band Penelope Isles's new release, “Underwater Record Store.”  

See you next week!




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Shoutout to our very own Freya Newman on her research being published in Nature Communications!


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Abigael Kima

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Listen to Abbie’s Hali Hewa Podcast


Isabel Cavelier Adarve

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Learn more about Isabel’s award from Climate Breakthrough



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Penelope Isles

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