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Outrage + Optimism

Feb 23, 2023

Welcome to another episode of Outrage + Optimism, where we examine issues at the forefront of the climate crisis, interview change-makers, and transform our anger into productive dialogue about building a sustainable future.

In this episode, co-hosts Christiana Figueres and Paul Dickinson interview climate leaders Sandrine Dixson-Declève, Co-President of global issues think tank the Club of Rome (the Club), and Johan Rockström, Joint Director of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research (Potsdam).

Our esteemed guests discuss the 50th anniversary of the Club’s groundbreaking report on the implications of continued worldwide expansion, “Limits to Growth” (Limits), and their recently published collaborative report “Earth for All: A Survival Guide for Humanity (Earth For All).”

Serving as both a sort of update to “Limits,” and a new solutions manual, “Earth For All” goes deep into the interrelationships between global stress points, the consequential scenarios that could lay ahead of us, and the policy recommendations we need to save our future.

It’s a fascinating conversation that covers planetary boundary science, dynamic systems modeling, the social tension index, and whether we can reach aspirational and equitable goals for humanity within our environmental boundaries. Importantly, we explore whether a planetary solution is possible without addressing systemic inequity.

Of course, be sure to stick around for music this week from brand new father/son duo Emrys + Clay.


Don’t miss a minute of this compelling episode! 





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Sandrine Dixson-Declève, Co-President of the Club of Rome

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Explore The Club of Rome and the original landmark report (including a free download), “Limits to Growth.” An updated version is available here.


Johan Rockström, Director of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research



Listen to a previous episode featuring Rockström about the race to zero. 

Learn about the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research



Read more or get your own copy of “Earth for All: A Survival Guide for Humanity.”



Emrys + Clay

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